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Muckleshoot casino 3/5 spread limit $1,500 effective, I cover

I am in the 9 seat and villain is in the 1. Villain is a younger kid, golf hat and Aria poker jacket. He seems competent and aggressive. He has 3-bet some of my openings, I had 4-bet him once and he folded.

I open JJ UTG+1 for $20, villain calls and 3 others call. Pot= $100

Flop is 10 3 × with two :s:

I lead for $60 and he raises to $240. I decide to call as he is aggressive and could have a draw or think I am just c-betting. Pot is $580.

Turn is a ten making the board 10 3× 10

I check and he bets $340. What is our play is this where we call and see what he does on the river?


  • ArenzanoArenzano Posts: 1,464Subscriber
    I would just fold here, but it would be nice if we knew what the 3rd flop card was. If you call the turn bet. The pot is 1260 and he bet 60% OTT, I'd imagine he will bet $500-600 on the river, which will still be a decent size bet. So unless you think the river will go check check, I'd just fold.
  • GusFritschieGusFritschie Posts: 102Subscriber
    I want to say the 3rd card on flop was like a 7
  • StarwarsJediMasterStarwarsJediMaster Posts: 741Subscriber
    I would just bet/fold flop with 4 players total in the hand, I don't think he is bluffing
  • dpbuckdpbuck Posts: 2,060Subscriber
    Villain in raising the flop with people left to act behind him. I'm not sure how he views you, but that is super strong. And on top of that it is a huge raise. I'm probably folding the flop.
  • beauregardbeauregard Posts: 1,592Subscriber
    tough, tough spot.

    If you're in seat 9 and he's in seat 1 - you're utg+1 - that would put him in MP? right?

    First, based on the aggro play you've described (and the Aria jacket) I don't think I ever, ever, EVER want to play a game where this guy has got position on me. Ever!

    Next, your description of V gives me no idea on what hands he shows up with in raised pots... I don't know if he's got A :s: T :s: here or 98. (was the T the T :s:??)

    His turn bet sizing is interesting - he raises you on the flop to 240 but only makes it 340 on the turn. I don't know if this means he doesn't like the T because he thinks you have it or if he's slowing down because he now knows his T is good.

    Based on the hyper aggressiveness that it feels like your game is playing - I think your decision point was on the flop. Here, you got to decide if he's got an overpair to your Js, a set, a FD, a SD or a bluff.

    I just watch a hand on Poker Night in America (Las Vegas) where Daniel had KK and Antonio had AT - and the T-high flop action went check, bet, shove, call. In some games - that's just how you got to play it sometimes when aggression is excessive.

    I hate check/calling the turn because I highly doubt V is ever checking back the river. Ever. So it's 340 now - pot will be 1260-ish on river - and guess what? only 900 left to play with! wonder what the river bet will be? ummm.... All In?

    I think since you missed your chance to make your stand on the flop (with much more fold equity than the turn). And now you've either got to shove here, or fold.

    Which one is it?

    My reco is to PM David Chan and ask him! :lol:
    Cuz I aint got no clue as to your V's tendencies might be. And I would have made my decision on the flop.
  • GusFritschieGusFritschie Posts: 102Subscriber
    Thanks for the thoughts, perhaps I should have folded to his flop raise. It was just that I had folded to 3 out of 4 3 bets he had made to my opens and felt my hand was too good to just fold. Now the turn perhaps that really should be a fold. But I thought he had enough pure bluffs and semi-bluffs in his range for me to call and evaluate the river. River was a J. So I make the nuts, except for quad 10's. What is our play now. We played it like a bluff catcher should, we check and hope he bluffs again or value bets a worse full house?
  • beauregardbeauregard Posts: 1,592Subscriber
  • GusFritschieGusFritschie Posts: 102Subscriber
    I did check, thinking if I bet it does not give him a chance to bluff and he will still bet the river with his value hands. He thought for awhile and checked behind and went crazy when I flipped over my hand. He had 10 3 and said he put me on exactly JJ which is why he did not bet. I think his call pre is bad and the check on river, otherwise he played it well. My plan was to c/f the river if the J had not hit and he bet river.
  • beauregardbeauregard Posts: 1,592Subscriber
    another reason not give him position on you
    players should go broke here - Zeebo's theorem
    I think you did fine
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