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OOP with AQ on A55dd 1/3

MikeMike Posts: 371Member
No history with any of the players. 2nd hand at a brand new casino. 1/3 game

4 limpers CO opens to 16(1500 stack) I call from sb (300 stack) with AQ and 4 limpers call 6 way flop

Flop ($75) A55dd

Checks to PFR who leads $50.

This post seems way too short but thats basically all the info that i have. All of the limpers had at least $150

Comments

  • whatsyourplay?whatsyourplay? Posts: 752Member
    call the cbet (the PFR shouldn't have a lot of hands that beat you, but many Ax hands) and see what the limpers do. Fold if one of them raises.
    Turn depends on how many players are left and their stack sizes.
  • coolfish7coolfish7 Posts: 29Subscriber, Professional
    whatsyourplay? said

    call the cbet (the PFR shouldn't have a lot of hands that beat you, but many Ax hands) and see what the limpers do. Fold if one of them raises.
    Turn depends on how many players are left and their stack sizes.
    Agreed. If it were HU I'd lead, and lead the river big-ish trying to get called by A-nonK, since that's the only likely hand that beats you at least on the flop. And it's a bet/fold on both streets, especially if a broadway hits since at that point he probably would have hit 2 pair or is overvaluing AK.
  • MikeMike Posts: 371Member
    was kinda hoping for more responses to this... anyone else wanna add some imput before i post results? And thanks to those who already have.
  • whatsyourplay?whatsyourplay? Posts: 752Member
    Mike said

    was kinda hoping for more responses to this... anyone else wanna add some imput before i post results? And thanks to those who already have.
    Mike, do you mean you'd like the opinions of more different posters, or more detailed feedback about specific aspects of this hand?

    I don't see many alternative liines in this hand. You could consider 3betting pre and shoving most flops. But on the flop, you don't have many options IMO.
  • ArenzanoArenzano Posts: 1,464Subscriber
    Okay, soI have a couple of questions. Realizing this is your 2nd hand, and you look down at AQ in the SB, was your holding suited or off suit? Did you consider 3betting the CO? Your hand does not play well multiway against 5 players OOP. I realize you don't have any reads, but remember there are no reads on you either. I think 3betting in this spot gives you the lead in the pot and picks up the dead money. The CO range with his stack is probably pretty wide and the limpers can't have much of either. 3betting to $45-50 would probably take the pot PF.

    As played, the pot should be $96 (without rake/drop) with 6 players after a $16 raise. If you call the $50 cbet, you'll have $234 behind and you are looking at being committed to the hand, and you are in a WA/WB spot. Theoretically the pot will be in the neighborhood of $196, possibly $246 if you get one more caller. That leaves you in a predicament. I think your play is to fold on the flop - painful yes, but that's what I think is the play.
  • Fish FryerFish Fryer Posts: 161Member
    Mike said

    was kinda hoping for more responses to this... anyone else wanna add some imput before i post results? And thanks to those who already have.
    I think I would either 3b or fold preflop. Folding seems pretty nitty to me, but super early into a session of unknowns, I don't really feel compelled to play OOP with a hand that doesn't love being 6 ways to the flop. I'm equally as happy, and much more likely, to just 3b pre and try to isolate the bigstack since I would assume we are ahead of his range.

    If we call preflop and hit top pair, I would check to the pfr
  • MikeMike Posts: 371Member
    just hoping for more opinions on the hand.

    I dont really like to 3b this OOP at this point since no one knows me. Had it been later on in the session im going to 3b get it in all day. (i 3b a lot)

    I dont like just folding the flop either. If im just going to fold when i make TP why am i calling PF? what am i hoping to hit. Generally at this level people will bet a 5 with the FD out there tto "protect" their hand. This makes me think that anyone with a 5 wouldve let me know already.

    I agree that a lot of the PFR range is worse A and the top of his range is AK since he really shouldnt be raising any type of 5 hand from late with so many limpers. Also almost impossible for him to be betting AA here. I figured since i beat most of his range and if i just call sure i might lose less when he has AK but i felt like im also not getting value from hands like AT/AJ enough. I thought raise/folding to the PFR was optimal and if a limper shoved over then depends on stack size. Thoughts?

    Also talking about this hand more with friends we sorta feel like calling flop and donking turn is best...
  • Rex JonesRex Jones Posts: 2Subscriber
    I'd lead flop for ~50 with the intention of bet/folding. The limpers will probably all check to the raiser, and CO will usually check back a lot of his non-Ax hands. You can get value from a worse Ace or a flush draw and can get folds from people who have a shot at drawing out on you on the turn if you give them a free card(pocket pairs, gutshots).

    As played, your only real option on the flop is to call. Folding is too nitty as the only hands in CO's range that beats you is AK and the 1 combo of AA. The 4 limpers having yet to act may be a bit scary but we can't just assume one of them has a 5 or, even worse, A5. Raising would be an overplay as we can expect to fold out flush draws and worse Aces but a call from anything better. So call and fold to a raise from any of the limpers.

    Planning for the turn is tough as there's a bunch of different scenarios here. If heads up, I don't mind a check regardless of which card comes. If a diamond comes, CO will probably check back a large part of his range, which isn't a bad thing as the pot is already bloated. Then, on a non-diamond river we can bet pretty small(I like 75) to get a call from a weaker A(our hand would look pretty strong, but I'm not going to give any random at a 1/3 table credit for noticing that). If another diamond hits on river, check/fold unless we have the Q of diamonds, then we bet/fold.

    If the turn is a blank, we can check/call expecting CO to put us on a flush draw and value own himself. If another blank hits on the river we can lead, hoping CO will still put us on the draw leading him to call.
  • ArenzanoArenzano Posts: 1,464Subscriber
    Mike - So you would prefer to leave yourself in a tough spot with no reads post flop? Donk the turn for how much? $75 -$100? What are you going to do on the River if someone flats your Turn donk - check/fold?
  • whatsyourplay?whatsyourplay? Posts: 752Member
    I really don't understand why everybody suddently thinks that calling with a pretty strong hand from OOP is a poor play? You keep all those weaker Ax hand in, which the other guys love to limp-call with and then can't get away from once they hit an Ace. As long as you proceed cautiously postflop and are able to get away from your hand if you face serious heat, this hand plays great multiway! Hardly anybody goes berserk and bluffs in a 6way pot, so what are you afraid of? Of course, you won't win the hand as often as in a headup or 3way pot, but this way of thinking is misleading.
  • JamesSuhJamesSuh Posts: 320Subscriber
    Mike, was this at Cascades?
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