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Dumbest Casino Rules

So Bart recently posted a thread complaining about how you need a decoder ring to figure out the BBJ at Commerce. I kinda see both sides of that one, so I thought I would start a new thread where we can vent about whatever other stupid policies exist out there.

I'll go first

Laws went into effect last year making NHLE legal in NH. Limit games and tourneys had been legal for years. Tourney buy in were limited to 150 bucks maximum. So when they added NHLE, they used the same limitation. Except whoever wrote the law didn't understand that cash poker is infinite. So the only practical interpretation of "$150 per game" was "150 per hand". So buy in are capped at 150 for all games and all stakes. Lawmakers also didn't realize they needed to legislate a table maximum.

So let's say you wanted to buy into a 2/4 game for $1k. You would sit down, buy 150 in chips, and play a hand. Then before the next hand, you would add on 150, then play another hand. And you would have to do this 150 dollars, each hand, until you liked your stack.

With new players rotating in and out all the time, imagine how this would destroy your hands per hour.

Some of this has been smoothed over. There are table maximums now, and u can usually buy full stacks at the cage and bring chips to the table. But the 150 at a time rule is still in effect.

Comments

  • RogerHardyRogerHardy Posts: 794Subscriber
    So if bring 1000 over you still can only put 150 on the table each hand? Or can you start your first hand at 1000?
  • BananaStandBananaStand Posts: 1,455Troll
    edited October 2016
    So if bring 1000 over you still can only put 150 on the table each hand? Or can you start your first hand at 1000?

    For a while you really had to buy 150 after every hand. But you could do it as often as you wanted, no maximum.

    Recently it's changed so the table max is $500 and you can bring it your first hand. But you have to buy it at the cage, not at the table. At the table, 150 maximums are enforced.
  • ohsnapzbrahohsnapzbrah Posts: 632Subscriber
    At my casino, they have a no cell phone use if you have a live hand. Which I understand the reasoning behind it. You want to prevent the possibility of cheating. In effect for both MTTs and cash games.

    Where it gets awful is how the casino enforces it, or lack thereof. At the 1/2 game, the dealers are a little more stringent, will say reminders like "cards are out" or whatever. The 2/5 is dealt in a more relaxed manner. Even then though, some of the dealers simply ignore the rule while others enforce it to the max.

    I was playing a hand earlier in the week where a guy opened from utg. I flat, someone else flats. The dealer warns him to put his phone away. He bets the flop and as it's my turn, the dealer calls floor and has the floor kill his hand. Then this whole commotion arises as to what happens with his bet. Mind you, his phone had the screen facing up pure black. He gets his bet back.

    A couple of hands later, same dealer same table, the utg player says that one of the 2/5 regs at the table has his phone facing up. She makes him turn his phone over before he can act, or she will kill his hand. This causes one of the players (not in the hand) to storm off saying "what is this childish bullshit rule".
  • TastesLikeBurningTastesLikeBurning Posts: 429Subscriber, Professional
    Until 2011, the max you could buy in for at any NLHE game in FL was $100, regardless of the stakes.
  • workinghardworkinghard Posts: 1,573Subscriber
    one time i asked for a rake reduction since a couple players were away from the table and we were playing short handed. i was told there was no reduction since the seats filled- just missing the players for the hand.
  • FuzzypupFuzzypup Posts: 2,577Subscriber
    We have a 5/10 game $300 max buy in in West Palm Beach
  • BananaStandBananaStand Posts: 1,455Troll
    Fuzzypup wrote: »
    We have a 5/10 game $300 max buy in in West Palm Beach

    Actually, from the Casino's point of view, I don't think these buy-in caps are all that dumb. With a smaller barrier to entry, more people can play more games, and more seats can get filled faster. It allows the recreational players to compete against the better players and pretty much "gamble". Remember, the house doesn't care who wins, or how easy it is to win with skill. They just need more people in the door. It's not their responsibility to help you profit off of their profits.

    As a player, I realize it blows. But if I was given a poker room to manage, I would definitely enforce capped buy-ins. 30BB's is probably a little low, but it really depends on the market in the area.

    On the other side of the coin, you have what we had in NH before casinos capped the buy-ins. We had parking lots full of CT and NJ license plates, and $2/4 games where every table had half a dozen sharks sitting $3K deep. It was not awesome.
  • BananaStandBananaStand Posts: 1,455Troll
    edited October 2016
    One totally dumb thing they do in my local casino, is deliberately set extremely low expectations for their dealers when it comes to enforcing the rules. I've actually heard floor men tell dealers to "let the players call that".

    So it's on the players to decide how and when it's appropriate for the rules to be enforced. The loudest sticklers get the most rulings in their favor. The quiet, non-confrontational, guy who minds his own business is hung out to dry.

    It's a 1/2 game and you raise pre-flop to $15. I re-raise you to $25. As long as no other player cares, it's fine.

    If you bet $20, I can throw in $20 with my left hand and $50 with my right hand half a second later. It's not a string bet unless you say it is.

    I bet $20, you call, 3rd guy goes all in for $35. I can re-raise unless you complain.

    Sometimes it happens, and no one says anything, so the play stands. The really bad part comes after the hand. The dealer won't say a word to the violator. Instead he'll say something to the other guy, like "you know, you could have called a string bet on that. Just so you know for next time".

    You haven't seen anger until you've seen a guy lose a stack and then get told he could have prevented the loss if only he had done the dealer's job too.

  • MikeGMikeG Posts: 989Subscriber
    And rule that makes it so you can't talk about your hand, can't show your hand, can't show 1 card, etc. Usually found in tournaments under the guise of protecting other players.
  • chilidogchilidog Posts: 2,427Subscriber
    California Grand poker room in the Bay Area east of San Francisco: I played there once and I will never be back unless these two rules are changed.

    1. Taking a full drop of $5 every time the cards are dealt. Every time.
    2. Pushing dealers in the middle of a hand. Literally dropping the deck on the felt, new dealer sits down, and finishes dealing the hand.
  • MasonIsAClownMasonIsAClown Posts: 102Subscriber, Professional
    Ha I came to post about the Grand. The cleaned up some awful rules they used to have at least. There was a time where if you got all in a cash game on any street you had to turn your hand over tourney style. They also used to not allow cell phone use at the table even if you were not in a hand.
  • AmicusAmicus Posts: 190Subscriber
    Dumbest rule that seems to be universal everywhere except a few select casinos in the East

    If the action gets checked through on the river, weakest position has to show first. So if the guy in position does all the betting but checks the river, I have to show first if I was doing the calling the entire hand?

    Seriously, wtf? And why does this seem to be the standard now?

    Last aggressor no matter what street the last bet was
  • PBJTIMEPBJTIME Posts: 345Subscriber
    Amicus wrote: »
    Dumbest rule that seems to be universal everywhere except a few select casinos in the East

    If the action gets checked through on the river, weakest position has to show first. So if the guy in position does all the betting but checks the river, I have to show first if I was doing the calling the entire hand?

    Seriously, wtf? And why does this seem to be the standard now?

    Last aggressor no matter what street the last bet was

    I know a guy who uses this rule to his advantage. He will almost go all-in on the flop or turn in position. He will leave $1 behind. Now if the other player puts him all-in, that player must show first. Otherwise, he will check it down the rest of the way forcing the other player to show first.
  • Bart HansonBart Hanson Posts: 6,115Administrator, LeadPro
    PBJTIME wrote: »
    Amicus wrote: »
    Dumbest rule that seems to be universal everywhere except a few select casinos in the East

    If the action gets checked through on the river, weakest position has to show first. So if the guy in position does all the betting but checks the river, I have to show first if I was doing the calling the entire hand?

    Seriously, wtf? And why does this seem to be the standard now?

    Last aggressor no matter what street the last bet was

    I know a guy who uses this rule to his advantage. He will almost go all-in on the flop or turn in position. He will leave $1 behind. Now if the other player puts him all-in, that player must show first. Otherwise, he will check it down the rest of the way forcing the other player to show first.

    I think this guy is vastly overestimating how much information he is giving away/gaining by trying to play this game.
    Thanked by 3MikeG PBJTIME BradleyT
  • maphacksmaphacks Posts: 2,009Subscriber
    I once had a situation where I showed down my hand as does my opponent. I had the winning hand everyone saw it. took a couple of seconds, dealer took my cards, mucked it and made an attempt to dump the chips to my opponent. before she could do this I complained. dealer looked confused and after I told her I had the best hand she called the floor. floor said my hand is already mucked and opponent wins the pot. other players at the table including villain stayed quiet, nice guys :D

    this was one of my first times playing live. obviously if this happens now I would complain more and ask for a camera check
  • Bart HansonBart Hanson Posts: 6,115Administrator, LeadPro
    maphacks wrote: »
    I once had a situation where I showed down my hand as does my opponent. I had the winning hand everyone saw it. took a couple of seconds, dealer took my cards, mucked it and made an attempt to dump the chips to my opponent. before she could do this I complained. dealer looked confused and after I told her I had the best hand she called the floor. floor said my hand is already mucked and opponent wins the pot. other players at the table including villain stayed quiet, nice guys :D

    this was one of my first times playing live. obviously if this happens now I would complain more and ask for a camera check

    Was the hand tabled? You are saying that everyone saw the hand tabled, that you had the winner, and they didnt say anything? I've never experienced this before. Or was it no one noticed what the winning hand was?
  • MikeGMikeG Posts: 989Subscriber
    I was walking away from table when a huge whale was shipped a medium-to-large pot that should have been chopped with a decent-ish reg. After returning, 5 different people at the table told me at various times what happened. In other words, at minimum 5 out of 6 players at the table knew that it should have been a chop but let the money get shipped to the whale. I don't think it's super rare.
  • BradleyTBradleyT Posts: 621Subscriber, Professional
    Timed Rake in PLO games - half the floor/dealers will give you a free 4 minutes (you sit at 7:26 and time starts at next dealer 7:30) and half of them won't. So it's whatever, sometimes you get a small freebie.

    Where it went to complete shit one time...
    Current floor doesn't allow free time, it's been asked 2-3 times already that night. Guy sits at 9:25 and dealer proceeds to give him a card, player looks at card, dealer says, "Oh I can misdeal or kill his hand". Half the table says "just kill his hand". Deal completes and guy takes his 4-cards and says, "I want to play it", pays the time and puts in a raise. Dealer somehow allows it. He proceeds to stack a player...

    Half the table is pretty upset and we go on about how the dealer fucked up. Dealer calls us a bunch of cry babies. LOL, how professional.
  • MikeGMikeG Posts: 989Subscriber
    lol Even if I've been there for 29 mins, I try to get commerce floor to not make me pay. Works most of the time.

    But yeah, Bradley, that's terrible.
  • maphacksmaphacks Posts: 2,009Subscriber
    edited October 2016
    Bart wrote: »
    maphacks wrote: »
    I once had a situation where I showed down my hand as does my opponent. I had the winning hand everyone saw it. took a couple of seconds, dealer took my cards, mucked it and made an attempt to dump the chips to my opponent. before she could do this I complained. dealer looked confused and after I told her I had the best hand she called the floor. floor said my hand is already mucked and opponent wins the pot. other players at the table including villain stayed quiet, nice guys :D

    this was one of my first times playing live. obviously if this happens now I would complain more and ask for a camera check

    Was the hand tabled? You are saying that everyone saw the hand tabled, that you had the winner, and they didnt say anything? I've never experienced this before. Or was it no one noticed what the winning hand was?

    at least one guy (and my opponent of course) saw the hand. it was a relatively small pot at 1-2 so no one really cared. however seems unlikely that not even two or three players recognized the winner. hands where tabled for a couple of seconds at least.
    the guy next to me even muttered something like "that's the ruling" or whatever bullshit...

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