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1/2 NL - flopped straight in BB

ReignmakerReignmaker Posts: 147Subscriber
SB-Asian male-30s- huge aggro fish that on a heater. Plays every hand. Seen him shove 96s when he was short stacked and since then has ran it up to $600.
BB-Hero-Asian male-30s- $700. playing solid (about 20% of my hands) and not getting out of line. I haven't shown down any bluffs and only shown down big hands.
MP-White female-30s-$400. A regular in the room and knows all the dealers. I think she deals at another casino. She plays probably 75% of her hands and calls any raise after she has limped in. Although she's a fish preflop, she is not just giving her money away. She is on the passive side and when she bets, she usually has it. She is the main villain in the hand.
BTN-just sat down. Not relevant to the hand.

MP, BTN, SB limps, hero checks option with 3s6s.

Pot $8
flop is 4c5h7s
Hero leads out for $6. MP calls and BTN calls. SB C/R to $15, Hero calls, MP calls and BTN folds.

pot is $59
turn is Ad
SB leads for $20, hero calls, MP calls

pot $119
river is Qc
SB checks, hero bets $75. MP raises to $190. SB folds. Hero?

Comments

  • jmcjmc Posts: 58Member
    I guess the question is:
    Do we just call for $115 more, fearing a slow-played 86, or do we jam for value for $365?

    I think given that MP could have 32, 63, a slowplayed set or even a hand like AQ/A7/A5/A4 jamming is probably good.

    Side note:
    You'll probably need to raise SB for value on the turn in the future. Looks like he doesn't bluff rivers.

    Edit:
    I wouldn't be surprised if MP showed up with QQ.
  • bobo1384bobo1384 Posts: 145Subscriber
    Jam river for value

    you have the 2nd nuts and villain can have a lot worse that will call(sets, worse straights)
  • whatsyourplay?whatsyourplay? Posts: 752Member
    I agree the turn is a must raise! You have to build the pot in order to get more money in.

    As played, I am probably shoving the river as well. But I think villain will show up with a worse straight in this spot like never. I can't imagine him to check-raise the flop with 32 and bet the turn rather small. So, we can expect to get called by sets and maybe some two pair combos.
  • jmcjmc Posts: 58Member
    whatsyourplay? said

    I agree the turn is a must raise! You have to build the pot in order to get more money in.

    As played, I am probably shoving the river as well. But I think villain will show up with a worse straight in this spot like never. I can't imagine him to check-raise the flop with 32 and bet the turn rather small. So, we can expect to get called by sets and maybe some two pair combos.
    Er? I think you misread the action. MP is a lady in her 30's who has shown nothing but passivity throughout the hand til now. I could totally see someone playing 75% of her hands calling with 32s pre, peeling for the oesd and deciding to slowplay the turn.

    SB probably has 7x and folded to the river fireworks.
  • TDFTDF Posts: 1,130Subscriber
    I would 3bet flop. Yes, most likely you will lose other callers and get HU but you're deep and I think you get more value by stacking SB then by playing multiway pot. SB has lots of sets, 2pairs, pair+OESD in his range also this sort of guys usually hate folding pairs especially after they raised. One more thing - if you just call flop and raise turn it will look way stronger than 3betting flop. You still can have weak pair+OESD in your flop 3betting range. When you call flop and raise turn you can't really be bluffing.
  • whatsyourplay?whatsyourplay? Posts: 752Member
    sorry, I misread the action. I thought MP was check-raising the flop. Please ignore what I said.
    Have to think about how I would play the hand, then.
  • jmcjmc Posts: 58Member
    TDF said

    I would 3bet flop. Yes, most likely you will lose other callers and get HU but you're deep and I think you get more value by stacking SB then by playing multiway pot. SB has lots of sets, 2pairs, pair+OESD in his range also this sort of guys usually hate folding pairs especially after they raised. One more thing - if you just call flop and raise turn it will look way stronger than 3betting flop. You still can have weak pair+OESD in your flop 3betting range. When you call flop and raise turn you can't really be bluffing.
    We probably shouldn't be pushing weak pair+OESD on flops against aggression because at 1/2NL, I'm not sure if we can get our opponent to fold top-pair type hands on the flop. It might work if you follow up with a large turn bet when called, but your opponent may get stubborn.

    So at 1/2NL, which looks more bluffy to our opponent?
    1. 3-betting the flop versus a check/raise.
    2. Raising the turned overcard after calling a flop check/raise

    I'd say #1 would look more bluffy if the board was suited - then our opponent could "put us on a flush draw" and get stubborn. Otherwise, both lines seem quite scary to me on this rainbow board. I think #2 looks weirder to most people, and may induce a curiosity call (our opponents don't bet-fold well). If you 3-bet the flop, he probably calls and folds the turn a lot.

    In this particular instance, it seems that SB didn't have a strong hand, and our only way to extract the maximum from him is to allow him to "bluff" us. Given that he won't bluff the river if he misses, we should raise the turn in case he has a draw (and will call) or is weirdly playing a strong hand (and we get additional value).
  • PokerIsFrustratingPokerIsFrustrating Posts: 657Member
    I think the turn is a raise for more than just us having the 2nd nuts. Villain is probably aware of his aggro image so he will think people are trying to bluff him. Fish randomly think we might have an ace, so if he has 2 pair plus he never folds and might raise back. Then again, he mightht decide he doesn't believe we have an ace and call us not realizing that's not our entire range. The ace hits his range as he could be making a weird raise with a pair plus an ace kicker.

    The river is sick, but our hand is super underrepped. If she has a set, aq, aces up, qq or any other weird holding that hit big she never thinks we have a straight. She also had at least three opportunities to raise (when it looked like someone had a big hand) and didn't. Even passive fish get worried about the suckout. We could easily have sets or 2 pair, so a lot of fish raise to "get us out."

    I'd raise back although sometimes we will get shown down 68.

    Another tip is bet more on the flop. Villains don't consider the pot, so when its small like this we can bet 10 or 12 or more and still get called about as much as 6. It really helps to escalate pots.
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