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CLP Podcast No. 128: Game Selection and Reverse Floating

Bart HansonBart Hanson Posts: 6,115Administrator, LeadPro
edited March 2015 in Crush Live Poker podcast
This week Bart talks about how important it is to game select and discusses negative and positive winrate of both bad and good players and how it should work into your game selection process. He then goes on to discuss the concept of reverse floating from OOP and rounds out the show with a hand he played from Commerce where he was check raised ton the turn in a three bet pot.




  • PocketAceTrader782PocketAceTrader782 Posts: 441Subscriber
    edited March 2015
    One of your best podcasts. Love these advanced topics. Keep them coming.

    On the hand with the AK10 :r: flop where you advocated reverse floating. I agree with your thoughts, but I feel like on these type of boards (player dependent) that a lot of players will check back hands like AJ or AQ on the turn after they c-bet the flop because they are a little scared because their is a straight possible, two pairs possible etc. Then if we bet river, I think they are calling with AJ or AQ.

    For those reasons, wouldn't a better example be a Board like A-9-4 :r: ? Just want to see if I am thinking about in the correct way.

    Thanks Bart

  • aaronaaron Posts: 498Subscriber
    Interesting topic Bart. Keep up the good work.

    Regarding the profitability of cr vs reverse floating you also have to take into account cr flop and continuing (with a mix of fold equity, getting there, continuing to bluff) to fully analyze which line is more profitable.

    Also agree with carmine on the board texture point in a vacuum. A lot of players won't cbet such a connected flop w total air where's Axx low/low are more likely to one time it.

  • ILYAILYA Posts: 129Subscriber
    "These Asian women are crazy. She opens UTG to $35, and I 3-bet her with T7cc." LOL
  • Bart HansonBart Hanson Posts: 6,115Administrator, LeadPro
    I found out last night she's a subscriber, lol. Makes sense.. She said "your friends with David Chan aren't you? He three bets me a lot." :cool:
  • David ChanDavid Chan Posts: 1,208Pro
    edited March 2015
    Bart wrote: »
    I found out last night she's a subscriber, lol. Makes sense.. She said "your friends with David Chan aren't you? He three bets me a lot." :cool:
    If I had a $1 bill for every time that someone said that I 3bet someone a lot"...anyway, I know exactly who you are talking about. The funny thing is that I lost a big 3bet pot hand against her 1.5 weeks ago too with T7s (same hand as yours) where I was the preflop 3bettor (I had the best hand on flop, and she tried to move me off of it, but she sucked out on me after we put in our stacks on the flop).

    Small world.

  • CajunDragonCajunDragon Posts: 173Member
    edited May 2015
    GAME SELECTION CAN BE DAUNTING: I'm tight aggressive and I have a very narrow pre-flop hand selection. I'm folding AJs UTG in a 9 handed game. So I like to raise with KQo, and get 3 streets of value from KTo. That's always fun.

    However, every time I ask a player I perceive as good they tell me they'd rather be in a game where everyone folds because, hey it's hard to make a hand. I find my hourly in those games to be very poor. So my question for Bart/Chan is.. Ultimately, which table will more value in a 1-3 or 2-5 200BB capped game assuming your good at playing in both games? Ex: Being at a table of tight nits who you can c-bet and bluff with impunity, or a table where if you flop a set vs TPGK two people are just going to pile in all their chips? What should my ultimate goal be? To sit in a game where people can read hands and make folds or to sit in a somewhat spewy game where people can't fold AA to save their life?

    I struggle with this daily because in Vegas, I have a ton of options for casino AND table selection. I can find either game at any time.

    My thoughts about this go in to the 7 :s: 8 :s: hand discussed on the pod cast. If you get to the river in 99% of Vegas games and are bet in to, raised, or shown aggression in ANY WAY. You're good maybe <= 5% of the time with 1 pair. Even when the hand 'makes no sense' as Bart said in this spot where he bet called off. This will often be the case, because when I game select to a table of people doing shots and tourists, most of the way they play DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. I found myself calling a lot and getting showed 64o for the nuts when I know there is NO WAY a competent villain could have 64 given the previous streets actions.

    The moral for me is, know your villains and who's lines won't make any damn sense anyway.

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