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Permanently banned from all Caesars properties

PurpleWeedPurpleWeed Posts: 23Subscriber
edited July 2014 in Low Content Forum
2006, Harrah's New Orleans:
I'm 21, not a professional poker player yet, went on tilt before I knew what tilt was and decided to self-exclude lifetime. This exclusion extends to all Caesar's properties.

Despite the ban I put in, after a few months I started showing up again to Harrah's New Orleans. I purposely mucked a bad beat jackpot hand worth about $4k (to me) because of the ban.

2009:
I hired an attorney to make contact with the VP of legal affairs for Caesars, but the response we received was...
"I represent Harrah's.
As you know, Mr. XXX signed self exclusion papers some time ago. That to which your client affixed his signature does not permit nor offer the opportunity to receive reinstatement and Harrah's declines your client's request. He is, and forever will remain, permanently barred from entering the premises of any Harrah's casino. For your information, I have attached a list of all of Harrah's currently owned and operated casinos. I trust that you will advise your client accordingly. Should your client be found on the premises of any Harrah's casino, that casino will immediately seek all legal means to have your client removed from said premises. Thank you for your attention to this matter."

2010:
Moved to Vegas for poker full time, but while visiting New Orleans, I cashout over 3k and they asked for my ID (oops). Cashier picks up phone and I knew I was done. Shortly after, security showed me the door and they confiscated the full cashout. I later was able to retrieve my initial buyin back from Caesars by providing details of my exact buyin and times (the form you sign says they confiscate winnings).

2012:
I email every gaming attorney in NV asking for advice on this situation. Shortly after, I receive a certified letter from Caesar's saying they know what I'm trying to do and that they are on high alert for any sign of me entering a property.

I've searched for and asked for advice on 2p2 before without success. Does anyone have any ideas or know a gaming attorney I could hire? The only thing I could think of is changing my name and social security number but I have a hard time believing that that will cover all my bases like if I were to win a big bad beat or a bracelet.
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  • AdministratorAdministrator Posts: 747Administrator
    I find it amazing that you can't rescind your self-ban.
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  • RDFRDF Posts: 183Member
    I don't think you're going to get better advice from this forum than from legal counsel. But doesn't hurt to post.

    I know nothing. Good luck but seems like you don't have a shot here.
  • multiversemultiverse Posts: 69Member
    Time for a fake ID and disguise.
  • GroundhogDayGroundhogDay Posts: 287Subscriber
    Wow... good luck... that sux... this Gif is a pick-me-up for you bro...

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  • PurpleWeedPurpleWeed Posts: 23Subscriber
    Haha
    So Limon mentioned something on a recent podcast about being perma banned but then the company changing ownership and now he's okay. Seriously!? MBFN! Caesar's just did a split and they're telling me that I'm even banned from the other half, Growth Partners LLC (Planet Hollywood and wsop.com).

    Limon, would it be possible to elaborate on what happened in your case? All I'm seeing is that from 1995 to 2010 it was Harrah's Entertainment and from there it was Caesars Entertainment Corporation.

    Also, if anyone out there knows anyone, I'm willing to pay $5,000 if I could get in writing that I'm no longer banned and I can have a total rewards account again.
  • chilidogchilidog Posts: 2,427Subscriber
    I bet your lawyer's name is Seymour Butts.
  • ArenzanoArenzano Posts: 1,464Subscriber
    What is the rest of this story? it is kind of fishy so far.
  • JCWJCW Posts: 591Subscriber
    I think if you could undo a life time ban from a place then the ban has no meaning.

    "Tuesday I had a life time ban, but then Thursday it was removed... but damn now it's Saturday I have a life time ban again! I'm screwed until next Thursday when I can have it lifted".
  • PurpleWeedPurpleWeed Posts: 23Subscriber
    Lawyer's name was David Nance, we didn't pursue litigation, just an e-mail to corporate. Didn't any of ya'll hear limon's recent podcast where he mentioned having a ban and then it being revoked because of a change in ownership?

    What is fishy about the story? The 5k is for real if anyone is creative or knows someone, I have references.
  • PurpleWeedPurpleWeed Posts: 23Subscriber
    So the rest of the story is every time I go to New Orleans to visit my family (4x + / year) I can't go to work because they only have one poker room: Harrah's. This costs me money.
  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,090Subscriber
    Cant you draft a letter with the help of the attorney saying something to the effect "I know I self banned for life...I thought i was a gambling addict... I am not and now I play professional poker and can prove it.... please take this letter as a release of all liability to ceasars entertainment... "

    thats the real reason why they wont lift the ban.. because they are afraid your future self will sue them if you lose after they let you play even though you were banned..

    then I would provide them details like tax returns etc..to prove you are a poker pro ..see how that works.. if that doesnt then storm their corp offices and try to get an appt with the ceo...

    ww
  • ArenzanoArenzano Posts: 1,464Subscriber
    So who asks for a self ban, what did you do? Tilt does not seem realistic unless your tilt caused you to do something really bad for which the plea bargain was banishment .....
  • RDFRDF Posts: 183Member
    Try going to a psychologist and getting evaluated that says you are not addicted to gambling. Then send it alongside a letter to Caesar's to alleviate their liability.
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  • khalwatkhalwat Posts: 997Subscriber
    PurpleWeed wrote:
    Limon, would it be possible to elaborate on what happened in your case? All I'm seeing is that from 1995 to 2010 it was Harrah's Entertainment and from there it was Caesars Entertainment Corporation.
    If I recall correctly, I believe Limon was banned for card counting or some other advantage play. I don't think it was a "lifetime ban" but just a "You're banned until we say you're not banned anymore" type of thing.
  • AbeLimonAbeLimon Posts: 860Member
    PurpleWeed wrote:
    Haha
    So Limon mentioned something on a recent podcast about being perma banned but then the company changing ownership and now he's okay. Seriously!? MBFN! Caesar's just did a split and they're telling me that I'm even banned from the other half, Growth Partners LLC (Planet Hollywood and wsop.com).

    Limon, would it be possible to elaborate on what happened in your case? All I'm seeing is that from 1995 to 2010 it was Harrah's Entertainment and from there it was Caesars Entertainment Corporation.

    Also, if anyone out there knows anyone, I'm willing to pay $5,000 if I could get in writing that I'm no longer banned and I can have a total rewards account again.

    I wasnt exactly "banned" i was backed off FROM BLACKJACK in lake tahoe in 2001ish and didnt go back for over a decade. Then i got a players card and started playing again and no one said shit. Not sure how this all works. i assumed it was the ownership change.
  • AbeLimonAbeLimon Posts: 860Member
    Arenzano wrote:
    So who asks for a self ban, what did you do? Tilt does not seem realistic unless your tilt caused you to do something really bad for which the plea bargain was banishment .....

    there are more people with self bans than you think. many players self banned themselves pre boom for baccarat then wanted to come back to play poker. no dice. (pun intended)
  • ArenzanoArenzano Posts: 1,464Subscriber
    Gotta love degens!
  • workinghardworkinghard Posts: 1,573Subscriber
    Caesars doesn't care that they are hurting your ability to play poker. They are worried about opening themselves up to lawsuit for letting you gamble.
  • JohnnyBestJohnnyBest Posts: 33Subscriber
    PurpleWeed,

    I am not a lawyer nor can I give you any legal advice. However, I would recommend Bob Nersesian. He has represented a few advantage players in the past. He is located in Vegas. He has handled cases against Caesars. I am unsure of his fee or retainer, but Mr. Nersesian is highly recommended. Hope this helps.

    - John
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