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Spot in 5/10 game

5/10 hand, effective stack 4000. 

EP limps $10

Hero opens $50 with AdTc in MP

V in LP flats

EP limper flats


Flop: $165 - 383dsh

EP checks

Hero continues $60

LP flats

EP fold


Turn: $285 - 3834 dshh

Hero leads $190

LP flats

Thought on turn continue? LP is biggest regular winner in the game and is a pro. What turns should I continue, what turns should I check? What rivers should I prepare to barrel what rivers should I prepare to check?

Mindset of hero, up $2500 and announced to table basically leaving in 2 hands

Comments

  • FuzzypupFuzzypup Posts: 2,604Subscriber
    Why is he limping up front?

    Generally if someone XCs twice from OOP in a multiway pot I tend to give up. Seems to me he has a pair or a boat+.

    The way your hand looks like it seems you have an overpair realizing what he has and you are betting for value.

    Which means if you want to bluff this river as a bluff you need to bet an amount that says please call me because I have value but not large enough it looks bluffy.

    I'd pick 3/5psb on the river.

    One problem you have is that when he XCs that dry as shit flop how often would you bet the turn with an overpair? Some frequency you do and some you don't.

    But this is where you really have to think about your opponent and how he plays to determine how he will play the river. The fact he limped UTG tells me he isn't that good, but good enough to beat the players there. I know of no very good player that limps UTG in a 5/10 games. Basically unheard of. You would have to have some bizarre dynamic where you time traveled back to 2004 with those players.

    I would also really take my time OTT and think about which cards I want to barrel and which I don't. A 5, 6, 7 come on the river I might not. 9+ I might. Reason is an UTG limp with 55, 66, or 77 isn't uncommon.

    So now you look at the combos OTR.
    12 combos of low pair
    7 combos of boats+.
    Considering he isn't folding 100% of the time to a larger river bet that shifts those low pair combos you can bluff out. If he just calls with 1/3rd of that range it shifts a bluff to a check back.

    I really would think about what he limps UTG and if he raises hands like 77+ UTG. It might make the difference here. If you have never seen him raise 88 or 99 UTG and limps enough that it looks like some pair then you might not want to bet. Also remember how often he XC, XC, XC some 2nd pair vs a preflop raiser.
  • CycleVCycleV Posts: 1,242Subscriber
    I don't play big boy stakes so can't offer much useful strat, but please don't ever announce your leaving. It's simply a green light for sharper V's to play back at you. In a casino there's never a need to announce it, and in the home games I play in, I usually quietly let the host know (away from the table when possible) that I'm 1-2 orbits away from picking up.
  • jtm1208jtm1208 Posts: 30Member

    Thanks for your feedback. I think you've misread my post. There was an EP limper who limp called, but the main villain is in LP who flatted my PF raise and flop continue. He has position on me, the EP limp caller folded on the flop

  • jtm1208jtm1208 Posts: 30Member

    You're not wrong, I typically don't announce. Friendly home game dynamic where a couple of the players always leave at X time, and there was 3 on the list. I let the guy behind me know he could get chips.

  • GarlandGarland Posts: 565Subscriber
    Pre-flop ok. Flop, I don't mind the stab. Turn is an overplay IMO. It's difficult to envision a hand that a winning LP will call flop that won't continue on turn. Top pair didn't change. I would probably check-fold. I could definitely see barreling turn on most Broadway cards. Maybe check an A to attempt to induce a turn bet or to get value on river if it goes check-check.
  • ChaosInEquilibriumChaosInEquilibrium Posts: 124Subscriber
    edited October 30

    Your hand history is missing some important information.

    Did you open from HJ or an earlier position? Probably from a baseline ATo is going to be a bit light from LJ or earlier. If there’s a good player to your left, all the more reason to tighten up. I’d open it in HJ for sure.

    Also did Villain flat from CO or BTN? This actually matters a lot.


    If Villain knows what he’s doing then he’s going to have a much wider (and weaker) flatting range on the BTN compared to CO. That is going to alter our strategy to an extent. We get to play more aggressively against a BTN flat.


    I’ll assume Villain flatted CO or HJ, in which case his range is going to be very condensed and strong, centered around low to mid pocket pairs (44-99, maybe TT), weaker suited broadways (ATs, KJs, KTs, QTs) and suited connectors (76s-QJs). Because he’s only really calling with suited hands or pocket pairs, the pocket pairs will make up a sizable chunk of his range, so when he calls our flop c-bet just be aware that’s what we’re often facing and proceed with caution.

    Furthermore, when Villain calls on the flop with EP still left to act, this is more strong. I think he is quite likely to have a pocket pair or 8x given the action.

    I'd rather choose a hand for a turn barrel that blocks his continues. So hands that block 8x (we’d like a 7 or 9), or hands that block his pocket pairs (containing a 5, 6, 7, 9). We’d also continue barreling with our suited combos that pick up a flush draw.

    When we bet a turn 4 for this sizing we’re repping TT+, so 30 combos of value. Plus we can’t bet all our overpairs if we’re trying to stay balanced. So, we get less value than that. Maybe 15-20 combos of value to bet on turn?


    I don't think ATo is gonna make the cut as a bluff on a turn 4. Said another way, if we’re betting on this turn with ATo in addition to all of our better bluffs then we’ll be overbluffing.


    The turn 4 is negative for our range. The cards 5-7 and 9 are more likely to help our opponent, and are negative for us. Any J-A will be good for our range. So we’ll have to do a fair bit of checking on the middling turn cards.

    All these factors point to a check on a turn 4-9.

    I’d bet with this combo on any turn T-A.

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  • N8Ball02N8Ball02 Posts: 68Member

    I don't want to be too critical here but a 5X open from MP with ATo is just not a great idea, but at the same time what's done is done.

    The V is in late position, I am assuming the Cut-Off because most people would point out the button. If he is a solid player, a pro as you stated, he would normally 3-Bet to iso you. With no 3-bet I would have to put his range as 22-99, suited connectors, and some 2 gaped Broadways. (KT, K9, QT, Q9). Which puts the flop more in his range than your range.

    I'm not trying to nit pick your play and I love the C-bet as much as the next guy, but you can't have a 100% C bet frequency. If your betting out of position with absolute air, (besides the backdoor wheel draw i guess), what are you ever checking? I prefer to save my C-bets that are complete air to situations where I am the aggressor with suited connectors on a board with a couple of broadway cards. It fits the narrative better.

    With that in mind from his perspective your betting an overpair or Ace High. Your not in this hand with a 3 or 4. Unless he is a call station, just calling the flop and turn says that he either set up or has an over-pair of his own, or maybe 78s or something like that.

    The one question I have was are you getting any kind of read off this guy? What made you size up from a 3rd of the pot to 2 3rds of the pot?

    With no reads I would probably check every card on the river and call and A ot T as long as he didn't bet huge.

  • Letmewin1Letmewin1 Posts: 1,254Member
    Bet all non heart rivers, check call on a 10 or A
  • Letmewin1Letmewin1 Posts: 1,254Member
    Your hand history is missing some important information.
    Did you open from HJ or an earlier position? Probably from a baseline ATo is going to be a bit light from LJ or earlier. If there’s a good player to your left, all the more reason to tighten up. I’d open it in HJ for sure.
    Also did Villain flat from CO or BTN? This actually matters a lot.

    If Villain knows what he’s doing then he’s going to have a much wider (and weaker) flatting range on the BTN compared to CO. That is going to alter our strategy to an extent. We get to play more aggressively against a BTN flat.

    I’ll assume Villain flatted CO or HJ, in which case his range is going to be very condensed and strong, centered around low to mid pocket pairs (44-99, maybe TT), weaker suited broadways (ATs, KJs, KTs, QTs) and suited connectors (76s-QJs). Because he’s only really calling with suited hands or pocket pairs, the pocket pairs will make up a sizable chunk of his range, so when he calls our flop c-bet just be aware that’s what we’re often facing and proceed with caution.
    Furthermore, when Villain calls on the flop with EP still left to act, this is more strong. I think he is quite likely to have a pocket pair or 8x given the action.
    I'd rather choose a hand for a turn barrel that blocks his continues. So hands that block 8x (we’d like a 7 or 9), or hands that block his pocket pairs (containing a 5, 6, 7, 9). We’d also continue barreling with our suited combos that pick up a flush draw.
    When we bet a turn 4 for this sizing we’re repping TT+, so 30 combos of value. Plus we can’t bet all our overpairs if we’re trying to stay balanced. So, we get less value than that. Maybe 15-20 combos of value to bet on turn?

    I don't think ATo is gonna make the cut as a bluff on a turn 4. Said another way, if we’re betting on this turn with ATo in addition to all of our better bluffs then we’ll be overbluffing.

    The turn 4 is negative for our range. The cards 5-7 and 9 are more likely to help our opponent, and are negative for us. Any J-A will be good for our range. So we’ll have to do a fair bit of checking on the middling turn cards.
    All these factors point to a check on a turn 4-9.
    I’d bet with this combo on any turn T-A.
    Your hand history is missing some important information.
    Did you open from HJ or an earlier position? Probably from a baseline ATo is going to be a bit light from LJ or earlier. If there’s a good player to your left, all the more reason to tighten up. I’d open it in HJ for sure.
    Also did Villain flat from CO or BTN? This actually matters a lot.

    If Villain knows what he’s doing then he’s going to have a much wider (and weaker) flatting range on the BTN compared to CO. That is going to alter our strategy to an extent. We get to play more aggressively against a BTN flat.

    I’ll assume Villain flatted CO or HJ, in which case his range is going to be very condensed and strong, centered around low to mid pocket pairs (44-99, maybe TT), weaker suited broadways (ATs, KJs, KTs, QTs) and suited connectors (76s-QJs). Because he’s only really calling with suited hands or pocket pairs, the pocket pairs will make up a sizable chunk of his range, so when he calls our flop c-bet just be aware that’s what we’re often facing and proceed with caution.
    Furthermore, when Villain calls on the flop with EP still left to act, this is more strong. I think he is quite likely to have a pocket pair or 8x given the action.
    I'd rather choose a hand for a turn barrel that blocks his continues. So hands that block 8x (we’d like a 7 or 9), or hands that block his pocket pairs (containing a 5, 6, 7, 9). We’d also continue barreling with our suited combos that pick up a flush draw.
    When we bet a turn 4 for this sizing we’re repping TT+, so 30 combos of value. Plus we can’t bet all our overpairs if we’re trying to stay balanced. So, we get less value than that. Maybe 15-20 combos of value to bet on turn?

    I don't think ATo is gonna make the cut as a bluff on a turn 4. Said another way, if we’re betting on this turn with ATo in addition to all of our better bluffs then we’ll be overbluffing.

    The turn 4 is negative for our range. The cards 5-7 and 9 are more likely to help our opponent, and are negative for us. Any J-A will be good for our range. So we’ll have to do a fair bit of checking on the middling turn cards.
    All these factors point to a check on a turn 4-9.
    I’d bet with this combo on any turn T-A.

    And all of this
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