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Facing aggression from Jamie Gold imitator

1/3 $300 cap. $479 effective.

V is MAWG who went to the Jamie Gold school of poker. He would frequently talk in hands where he takes an aggressive action, telling people their hand is no good, or claiming that he has 2 pair, straight, etc. He had shown a few times, and did have what he claimed to have had. He also told a story about playing a hand for $300 blind preflop at another casino, and had said that he would bluff off his stack by the end of the night.

One EP limp, V to $16 in HJ, Hero 3! to $52 on BTN with Q Q :s:. Folds to V who hems and haws a bit and makes the call. He asks if I want to check it down, and I decline.

Flop ($111 - Heads up) J 5 2 V donks for $52 while talking about oh that's what you made it, that's a good number, etc. Hero calls.

Turn ($215, $375 remaining stacks) 9 V leads for $100. While contemplating, V starts talking again. "You got Queens beat? I've got aces. So if you've got aces we're chopping..." then V shows A :s:. Hero thinks for a little while longer and throws in a black chip for the call.

River ($415) T V goes all in for $275 and starts talking again, telling the same story, then after a minute or so, changes to "looks like I'm going to the ATM, anyone got chips?" Hero?



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  • ArenzanoArenzano Posts: 1,464Subscriber
    Most players just aren’t showing one Ace trying to fool you into believing they have another one. This is just an easy call. If he happens to have AA so be it.
  • GarlandGarland Posts: 518Subscriber
    edited March 1
    This is a button clicking AJ all day, and would call. Think about it, what sane person has AA, just call pre (and not 4!) and asks if you want to check it down, let alone show you an A?

    On a side note and not in your case of course, if I felt the difference between him calling or folding to the 3! is the answer to the check it down question, I would often accept.
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  • SuperflySuperfly Posts: 591Subscriber
    I think your hand is best played as a raise on the flop. You are likely good and could use some protection vs AK and FDs. If you bump it to $150, it will look pretty pot committed. If he shoves over the top, I’d still lean toward a call but use your reads. He may be getting tricky pre with AA or KK, but your decision only gets harder by slow playing In this spot. IMHO.

    I was playing a guy once who said he had aces, then looked at his cards and showed me one. I immediately snap called because there was no reason for him to look at his cards if both were an ace... and was good! That felt great.
  • FuzzypupFuzzypup Posts: 2,575Subscriber
    If this player has been overly aggressive occasionally showing good hands but his frequencies are off to where he is either super lucky or super bluffing. I would call it off.

    One thing that would give you a hint if he had AA or AJ is when he showed a single card. If he looked at both cards then picked one and flipped it or if he didn't look at his hole cards and flipped one.

    Otherwise I would call this off. You can easily have the BDFD or a set of TTs in this spot.

    The check it down comment seems odd for AA. Whenever I have heard this from a player in a stressful situation it usually means he feels he is behind and would like to realize his full equity. Same applies if they run ask if you want to run it twice.

    If he has AA, well nice mind fuck lol. But I don't fold reasonable hands to maniacs.

    One other clue. Jamie Gold was always talkative during hands but. He was more physically animated and verbally excited when he had a real hand and more calm and flat when he was bluffing. So this is something I would pay attention to. Equal amount of talking different energy levels.
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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Posts: 134Subscriber
    V kept talking and I picked up some strain in his voice and made the call. V says good call and turns over J

    It does seem like an easy call looking at it from the outside, but in game it felt like a really tough spot. Player pools across the country are different, but in mine it is rare to see someone 1. Bluff for more than $100 and 2. Turn top pair into a bluff.

    We can also say it doesn’t make sense to play the hand this way with AA, but we’ve already established that this player does things that don’t make sense, like making a value bet then telling his opponent their top-pair is no good.
  • CycleVCycleV Posts: 1,196Subscriber
    Garland wrote: »
    This is a button clicking AJ all day, and would call. Think about it, what sane person has AA, just call pre (and not 4!) and asks if you want to check it down, let alone show you an A?

    On a side note and not in your case of course, if I felt the difference between him calling or folding to the 3! is the answer to the check it down question, I would often accept.

    I agree w the hand analysis, but I think agreeing to check it down is a close decision.

    If he folds, we pick up 23 buckaroos. If he has a hand like A5s, we have 67% equity. So 2/3 of the time we win $59, 1/3 of the time we lose 52. $(59 + 59 - 52) / 3 looks like $22. But there's the rake to consider. Where I play it's no flop no drop, but this hand would trigger a 9+2 drop (plus one for the dealer). So it would actually be (47 +47 - 52) / 3 = about $14. A clear -EV play.

    A person could play around with just how wide you think the V is; if you think he mostly has low PP (say all 22-TT and A2s-A5s) then you can get the equity closer to $30 and it's a clear +EV move. You do have to figure in whatever your local rake is. But if we average out a range it's probably close to neutral.

    And ofc there are meta considerations: do we need to keep this guy happy, or will he talk himself into thinking if we didn't agree to check it down then we must have AK, make the call, and stack off with 77 on a T32 flop? Or if it is even worth wasting everyone's time, especially if this guy is a yapper and takes forever to play? (Personally I put up with all kinds of shit for a whale, on most days anyway. But I am also a yapper. YMMV.) Finally, is this guy smart enough to figure out that we only shoot with a big pair, and the next time he pulls this song and dance and we decline to shoot, does he know we have a non-paired BW hand, and is he actually good enough to do something with this information?

    TBH there's no fracking way I'm doing any of this math in me head at the table, and the psychology of it all, we don't have nearly nough data to make an informed decision. I sometimes offer to shoot it for a slightly larger amount than whatever I bet: if you can get the guy to shoot it for $100, then the EV clearly swings in our favor, and I'll see you at the river.

    Tl;dr only shoot it for a serious amount of money (whatever that is in your game). Don't waste anyone's time for less.
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