Tricky slowplaying idiots

Fuzzypup

I got this one casino here in Florida, The Isles, in which is so vastly different than any other casino I have run into. You have these older players who play hands in the most ridiculous way that it drives me to want to throw chairs at people. I always end up value owning myself vs these ass clowns. It's come to the point I am just not playing there anymore. This is 2/5. I don't even see this kind of stupidity at 1/2.

Example 1. 3 limps, I raise OTB AJo. I get 2 callers MP and CO.
FLOP Axxxx (texture doesn't matter).... X, X, I bet, call, fold
TURN X, I bet, Call
RIVER X, I bet, Call and he shows AK.
I scream!!!!!

Example 2. 3 limps, I limp OTB 8♥ 6♥.
FLOP is like J : 8 : 2♣ - Xs to me, I bet 1/2p, blinds fold, 1st field caller calls, 2nd field caller calls, rest folds
TURN 6♣ - Xs to me, I bet, 1st field caller min XRs, 2nd player folds, I call... I can't imagine what he is XRing here for value on this kind of board. This player doesn't have J6, J2, or 82 in his range. I suspect it is some draw + pair? I'll see what he does on the river, I call.
RIVER Q♦ - XminRaiser on the turn bets 1/4 pot. I call...... he has JJ.
I scream!!!!!

Example 3. 5 limps, I raise from the blinds JJ $40. fold, fold, 3rd limper now back 3bs me all in for the rest of his $300. rest fold. Ok he was the 3rd limper. Ok I call. He has AA.
I scream!!!!!

Then on occasion I get this kind of stupidity.
Example 4. 3 limps, I raise TT OTB, 2 callers
FLOP T♣ 9♣ 3♦ - I bet, call, call.
TURN 4♥ - I bet, call, fold
RIVER K♣ - a donk bet comes out for 1/3rd to 1/2p and I'm like WTF?!?!?!??!? I call and they got KK or AA block betting the river afraid of the flush

Example 5 of mind blowing WTF?
3 limpers I limp OTB A♥ 9♥
FLOP A♦ 8 : 6 : - X, X, X, I bet, Call, Call just to my right, one fold
TURN 3♣ X, player donk bets 1/3rd pot, I think and raise since my kicker is above average this seems like Axs or some kind of draw which you NORMALLY see any any other casino. player donker better calls. Other folds
RIVER 3♦ X, I value bet the river a small amount and player calls. He has AK or AQ.
I scream!!!!

Example 6
4 limpers I X BB with 96o.
FLOP Q : 9♦ 6♣ - I bet all fold to SB who XRes me 2.5x. I call
TURN 8♦ - SB checks, I bet because he doesn't feel comfortable, he calls
RIVER 3 : - SB now bets 2/3p. Did I misread him? does he have a better 2 pair? J♦ T♦ ? I call he has AQ and he bitches at me about my call. WTF?!

It's like I am in the twilight zone at this place. PBKC with it's over agro players, I can deal with. The Regs at HR I can deal with. The loons in Miami, I CAN DEAL WITH!!! But I can't deal with the Isles. Everywhere else feels like the games in California, just more passive.

Rant over. I had to get this out because I wanted to hit people with chairs this week. Who the fuck limps behind limpers with AA then calls a raise with other limpers calling between?!??!?!

neverlearn2

Fuzzypup I feel your pain man. Haha. I love it.

Fuzzypup

Move to new casino.... make $4000 in 50 hours of play. Not too shabby.

f0xr

These kinds of games make me want to quit poker. Frustrating thing is, it seems like there's very little profit to be made, even with all the terrible play. Every pot I'm not in is like 17 bucks, and then on the river these clowns show up with aces and kings.

You can't win any money from even a whole table of bad players if they never put any money in the pot.

Fuzzypup

You can win money at these games but you have to play very different. They are rare and it simply isn't worth the time to adjust. I gotta adjust online, I gotta adjust live. I don't want to adjust to a 3rd completely different game.

Fuzzypup

So someone convinced me to come back to the Isles.
Snowbirds are back they say
More fish they say

20 hours later I lose $600 to idiots doing the same shit with short stacks in 4 hands. 2 I fold, 2 I call.

Idiot limps, bunch of callers I raise $35 AK, idiot after 1st limper ships $200, rest fold.
I face calling $165 to win ~$260, I call... he has AA... I scream

I literally, as Bart always says, haven't played a hand in 2 hours except for the blinds. It's effectively 72o every hand.

QQ finally. Straddled pot OTB, 2 limpers, I raise $45 with QQ, UTG calls, 2nd limper folds.
$110 FLOP T : 7 : 5♦ - I bet $70, limper XRAI $275..... sigh.

$455 with $195 to call. He might have JJ, I don't have a spade, he might have a draw or big draw, Maybe AT, he called with people left to act. Less likely he has a big pair.... I call getting 2:1 he has KK.

I have to leave casino before I lose it on him. I think I lose $20 an hour to idiots like this at the Isles in these spots. Every session there this happens at least once if not twice.

fozbo

The whole limping AA after limpers is super wierd, do they play them fast if the pot gets limped around? If so I would be a lot less inclined to raised SC, SC broadways, and 99s and under, just to try and stack someone doing this, it has to be the same regs doing this correct? Even if Its like 20 regs

Also unfortunately id have to adjust my calling range facing aggression to 2p+ when it would normally be an easy call with overpair like the QQ, hand. But yeah just has to be a super annoying game haha

workinghard

I'm dealing and flooring at a poker room that spreads $3-6 limit holdem. In 10 years, 85% of the population that plays this game regularly will be 6 feet under. Sounds like a similar player pool at the Isle so, let me pass on their mentality so you can adjust. First off, they play super passive, super afraid someone else has the nuts. However, folding just isn't part of their game. They will also try to trap other players since they are afraid of betting someone off the pot even though no one folds anyways and everyone will check down river with anything shy of the mortal nuts. Also, betting draws unless they are half a bet from being all in just isn't part of their game and missed hands are checked down.

so, how to adjust? First, discount them having draws, especially when check raised. Understand that their limping range pre might be a bit wide but any aggression post flop means a big hand. They always assume you have AA and nothing less when you raise pre so if they are putting pressure on you, they have AA cracked. Many will assume if there is any broadway card or broadway straight possible, that you have top set+ when you put pressure on post flop.

so, play big pots in position. Limp widely with suited gappers, etc. Depending on stack sized, I'd probably make pot building raises in position with suited connectors and suited aces to ensure a big pot if I hit. If you do hit a big hand, which is set+, you better start shoving money in. Be prepared to fold 2 pair hands when someone is putting pressure on you. checkraises = mortal nuts.

pokertime

It’s seems your falling into the “I’m better so I’m supposed to win every time” trap. You don’t even have great hands in a lot of these examples so being mad you lost is just tilt. I see players limp calling big aces all the time as they don’t consider it a hand until they hit with it. Also the limp RR with AA/KK is common now so it’s a pretty easy fold PF. They aren’t cabable of doing this with AX or air. Further bad players are adjusting to aggression by calling down with big hands and/or donking small at some point. I half think they are not always sure they are good but they also have been trapping for years ala’ Phil H so don’t bet for them with iffy hands. Be glad you lose the least in some of these spots!

Fuzzypup

workinghard wrote: »

I'm dealing and flooring at a poker room that spreads $3-6 limit holdem. In 10 years, 85% of the population that plays this game regularly will be 6 feet under....

Yup that's the Isles. Thanks.

Fuzzypup

pokertime wrote: »

It’s seems your falling into the “I’m better so I’m supposed to win every time” trap.

I am not falling in that trap. But there are other dynamics to this game you are not seeing. They do occasionally bluff and if I fold to every 1/4PSB on the river they will start bluffing. I don't have to be right often to make these calls if I think they are overvaluing a hand like the AQ example. And it is not uncommon to see this.

Limp, limp, AA limps, limp, I raise QQ folds back to UTG......
call, fold, AA just CALLS, fold.....

And I value own myself with QQ on a low board. I shit you not. I just don't play there during the day. It was literally happening 1-2 times a session. It dropped my winrate.

Another trick to these kind of games is that you play them like an MTT. Smaller bets or managing bets to buy free cards with big draws. I'll say one thing it's really hard to read the older player's intentions. We have one guy who we think is literally insane. He says the most weird shit at the casino, is unaware of things happening, and calls off stacks of money. Sometimes he just XRAI. He is almost an accidental maniac. raised 5 way pot, he donk bets bottom pair into everyone.

I play 1/2 at the HR and 1/2 there. The HR seems so normal what I expect. In all the hours there only once has someone limp reraised me with AA.