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Crush Live Poker Podcast No. 240: "Rules, Range and Action"

Bart HansonBart Hanson Posts: 6,152Administrator, LeadPro
This week Bart starts off the podcast by discussing a recent post regarding rules from the CLP forums. He then discusses how he quickly was able to evaluate an unknown player and how he exploited him.

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  • crunchycrunchy Posts: 25Subscriber
    One way to help people with understanding that manipulating the social structure of the game *IS* to treat it important to their game. Old timers will remember the saying "you can shear a sheep many times, you can only skin him once". Being an ass to somebody who you think is worse then you at poker is skinning the sheep. Most of those people are there for the social structure of the game. You want them to have fun. "Don't tap on the fish tank" is another expression in this area. You are in a competitive game. You don't want to strengthen you opponents. Have your conversations on boards like this one if you have to or in person with a friend. In any case I find it useful to point out to "wizards" that they are missing part of their game. That is the thing they want to focus in on. So make it part of the game and it is much easier then appealing to their social logic. Their behavior already proves they suck at that.
  • LesterDiamondLesterDiamond Posts: 152Subscriber
    @Bart I think your description of when to speak up is pretty universally accepted as the norm. I have this come up quite a bit and want to know your thoughts.

    River action is done, you turn over 7 high. Player doesn't table their hand, is trying to figure out board. Dealer slides your hand in front of them and announces 7 high. Are you reaming the dealer for this? Is it their job to announce your hand strength when tabled? You can say "ask floor" and we both know you will get 3 different answers...
  • Bart HansonBart Hanson Posts: 6,152Administrator, LeadPro
    @Bart I think your description of when to speak up is pretty universally accepted as the norm. I have this come up quite a bit and want to know your thoughts.

    River action is done, you turn over 7 high. Player doesn't table their hand, is trying to figure out board. Dealer slides your hand in front of them and announces 7 high. Are you reaming the dealer for this? Is it their job to announce your hand strength when tabled? You can say "ask floor" and we both know you will get 3 different answers...

    I don't think the dealer should say anything, but I would most likely not ream the dealer on this. I might say something like "you shouldn't do that". As much shit as I give Commerce dealers I would be shocked if any of them would actually call out the players hand.

    Its a bit different if the player asks what the other player has and the dealer says 7 hi. I think thats ok, same thing as the dealer pushing the 5 cards up to show the best 5 card hand. Either way, once its done its done.

    Its sort of like me not getting angry at a rec player for calling out my hand or that rec player telling another rec what he has when he hasnt tabled his hand. If it was a reg interceding.. well thats a whole different ball game. Bart
  • LesterDiamondLesterDiamond Posts: 152Subscriber
    edited June 2017
    Bart wrote: »
    @Bart I think your description of when to speak up is pretty universally accepted as the norm. I have this come up quite a bit and want to know your thoughts.

    River action is done, you turn over 7 high. Player doesn't table their hand, is trying to figure out board. Dealer slides your hand in front of them and announces 7 high. Are you reaming the dealer for this? Is it their job to announce your hand strength when tabled? You can say "ask floor" and we both know you will get 3 different answers...

    I don't think the dealer should say anything, but I would most likely not ream the dealer on this. I might say something like "you shouldn't do that". As much shit as I give Commerce dealers I would be shocked if any of them would actually call out the players hand.

    Its a bit different if the player asks what the other player has and the dealer says 7 hi. I think thats ok, same thing as the dealer pushing the 5 cards up to show the best 5 card hand. Either way, once its done its done.

    Its sort of like me not getting angry at a rec player for calling out my hand or that rec player telling another rec what he has when he hasnt tabled his hand. If it was a reg interceding.. well thats a whole different ball game. Bart

    I have it happen consistently enough that it's worth the inquiry. I really would like to destroy the dealer verbally, but refrain as to not disrupt the game/chaos. IMO I think cards speak and dealer stfu? I think my conclusion is a lot of the dealers deal lower games and are use to having to be in charge of a bunch of idiots, and they transfer that over to 5/10+ where it is obv different. Had this debate on 2p2 and just got filled with a bunch of dealers defending each other. Wish there was clear cut in this regard.
  • nopairnopair Posts: 350Subscriber
    The rules of a casino are the rules of a casino, but without any direction from the rules, it is the dealer's job to run the game, to read hands and to award the pot.
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