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CrushLivePoker Podcast No. 221 "New Way to Combat 3 betting"

Bart HansonBart Hanson Posts: 6,242Administrator, LeadPro
This week Bart and Top Section Podcast host Conlan Ma look at a new way to combat 3 betting preflop from polarized and merged ranges.

http://www.crushlivepoker.com/podcasts/a-new-way-to-combat-3-betting

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  • JKHJKH Posts: 845Subscriber, Professional
    edited January 2017
    @bart
    Terrific podcast
    Let me recap so I understand

    1) Vs value heavy 3 bet range player, play the 15 25 35 concept for calling 3 bets - most applicable at lower stakes
    2) Vs a polarized range 3 bettor ,with the 3 bet bluffs consisting of alot of suited Aces, continue on with suited connectors and suited Broadway's and play post flop knowing the player hits ace high boards alot
    A polarized 3 betting range with a scew towards 3 betting suited ace high"s is most common for the players at live mid stakes in 2017

    3) Vs a merged range ....what is the counter strategy??
    4 bet more?
    Or does the call range look like?



    Bart
    I personally understand what a merged and polarized 3 betting range is but in a further podcast be able to concisely explain them and concisely layout the basic counter strategy against each.

    Thanks
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  • HareReeHareRee Posts: 130Subscriber, Professional
    Great! I've been looking for more material how to think about a 3! defense range.
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  • Bart HansonBart Hanson Posts: 6,242Administrator, LeadPro
    JKH wrote: »
    @bart
    Terrific podcast
    Let me recap so I understand

    1) Vs value heavy 3 bet range player, play the 15 25 35 concept for calling 3 bets - most applicable at lower stakes
    2) Vs a polarized range 3 bettor ,with the 3 bet bluffs consisting of alot of suited Aces, continue on with suited connectors and suited Broadway's and play post flop knowing the player hits ace high boards alot
    A polarized 3 betting range with a scew towards 3 betting suited ace high"s is most common for the players at live mid stakes in 2017

    3) Vs a merged range ....what is the counter strategy??
    4 bet more?
    Or does the call range look like?



    Bart
    I personally understand what a merged and polarized 3 betting range is but in a further podcast be able to concisely explain them and concisely layout the basic counter strategy against each.

    Thanks

    I think you are spot on here with most of your summary. We didnt really talk about 4 betting as a counter all that much but against a polarized range you should sometimes 4 bet your blocker hands that don't have a lot of play ability post while I would say that against a merged range, play ability in your 4 betting hands may be a slight consideration. But thee spots are so rare (post flop hand in a 4 bet pot) that we shouldn't concentrate that much on them. But I think the suited Broadways are powerful vs a merged 3 betting range for sure.

    Bart
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  • JKHJKH Posts: 845Subscriber, Professional
    Bart wrote: »
    JKH wrote: »
    @bart
    Terrific podcast
    Let me recap so I understand

    1) Vs value heavy 3 bet range player, play the 15 25 35 concept for calling 3 bets - most applicable at lower stakes
    2) Vs a polarized range 3 bettor ,with the 3 bet bluffs consisting of alot of suited Aces, continue on with suited connectors and suited Broadway's and play post flop knowing the player hits ace high boards alot
    A polarized 3 betting range with a scew towards 3 betting suited ace high"s is most common for the players at live mid stakes in 2017

    3) Vs a merged range ....what is the counter strategy??
    4 bet more?
    Or does the call range look like?



    Bart
    I personally understand what a merged and polarized 3 betting range is but in a further podcast be able to concisely explain them and concisely layout the basic counter strategy against each.

    Thanks

    I think you are spot on here with most of your summary. We didnt really talk about 4 betting as a counter all that much but against a polarized range you should sometimes 4 bet your blocker hands that don't have a lot of play ability post while I would say that against a merged range, play ability in your 4 betting hands may be a slight consideration. But thee spots are so rare (post flop hand in a 4 bet pot) that we shouldn't concentrate that much on them. But I think the suited Broadways are powerful vs a merged 3 betting range for sure.

    Bart

    @bart

    Terrific

    So calling with suited broadway hands vs polarized and merged ranges is good even with a shorter stacks & occasionally 4 bet bluffing blocker hands vs a polarized range and against a merged range occasionally 4 bet bluffing a suited broadway hand would be optimal. Correct?
  • Bart HansonBart Hanson Posts: 6,242Administrator, LeadPro
    JKH wrote: »
    Bart wrote: »
    JKH wrote: »
    @bart
    Terrific podcast
    Let me recap so I understand

    1) Vs value heavy 3 bet range player, play the 15 25 35 concept for calling 3 bets - most applicable at lower stakes
    2) Vs a polarized range 3 bettor ,with the 3 bet bluffs consisting of alot of suited Aces, continue on with suited connectors and suited Broadway's and play post flop knowing the player hits ace high boards alot
    A polarized 3 betting range with a scew towards 3 betting suited ace high"s is most common for the players at live mid stakes in 2017

    3) Vs a merged range ....what is the counter strategy??
    4 bet more?
    Or does the call range look like?



    Bart
    I personally understand what a merged and polarized 3 betting range is but in a further podcast be able to concisely explain them and concisely layout the basic counter strategy against each.

    Thanks

    I think you are spot on here with most of your summary. We didnt really talk about 4 betting as a counter all that much but against a polarized range you should sometimes 4 bet your blocker hands that don't have a lot of play ability post while I would say that against a merged range, play ability in your 4 betting hands may be a slight consideration. But thee spots are so rare (post flop hand in a 4 bet pot) that we shouldn't concentrate that much on them. But I think the suited Broadways are powerful vs a merged 3 betting range for sure.

    Bart

    @bart

    Terrific

    So calling with suited broadway hands vs polarized and merged ranges is good even with a shorter stacks & occasionally 4 bet bluffing blocker hands vs a polarized range and against a merged range occasionally 4 bet bluffing a suited broadway hand would be optimal. Correct?

    There is no correct or incorrect. I think if you are thinking about this with a rote "playbook" you are going about it the wrong way.
  • CheckindarkCheckindark Posts: 13Subscriber
    Great podcast, really enjoyed. So you explained how this would be good strategy vs players who aren't extremely value heavy in their 3! range , who can 3 bet bluff, merge etc. and that you could call 3! without right odds OOP to realize your equity to float flops or semi bluff certain boards correct? The question that popped in my head was would that be a similar concept to use vs a player who opens wide in position and you're OOP without being deep enough in a single raised pot? If not why? thanks again.
  • Bart HansonBart Hanson Posts: 6,242Administrator, LeadPro
    edited January 2017
    Great podcast, really enjoyed. So you explained how this would be good strategy vs players who aren't extremely value heavy in their 3! range , who can 3 bet bluff, merge etc. and that you could call 3! without right odds OOP to realize your equity to float flops or semi bluff certain boards correct? The question that popped in my head was would that be a similar concept to use vs a player who opens wide in position and you're OOP without being deep enough in a single raised pot? If not why? thanks again.

    I think so, yes. Which means that you should be defending the BB wider vs a wider opening range..which in typical situations means a late position opener as opposed to an early position opener, and also making sure that the pot is HU. So we can't justify calling a $60 open from MP1 at 5-10 with 89s in the BB when there are two other limpers in the pot. You also have to recognize that the pot odds you get preflop are usually less in single raised pots vs calling a 3 bet when you have already opened for the single raise.
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  • ZambrotAZambrotA Posts: 372Subscriber
    GREAT POD!!
    Keep it up!!
  • peteypeterpete@gmail.com[email protected] Posts: 2,969Subscriber
    Really high quality pod. Hopefully you can get more guys from the site to do the pod with you sometimes. Love getting a free listen to the Top Section guys haha.
  • HareReeHareRee Posts: 130Subscriber, Professional
    edited January 2017
    So to defend against a merged 3! range we should be more willing to 4 bet?

    Also, I like to consider stack depth. Especially, when thinking about a 4 bet as we can leverage stacks. If a 4 bet will commit about 20% of EFF stacks it puts your opposition in a bit of a precarious spot.

    Some people use different commitment threshold but I've been experimenting with ~20%, thoughts?
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