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2/5 KK - interesting spot on river

ClockClock Posts: 1,133Subscriber
Borgata 2/5 (500 cap) Sat night 5am

Villain is ~50s Asian... just sat down like 20 min ago..took out one purple ($500) chip to buy in.
He looked like he came from BJ table or something like that.
Played a hand where he called dude's raise with 96o OOP and then proceeded to bluff off entire stack with missed str8 draw - got tank-called by JJ (OP to board)

Re-bought has about ~600

HERO covers...mid 30s white guy, I'm sure I'm total unknown to him (if he even cares)

HERO raises to 25 UTG with KxK Villain calls in LP
Flop (55): QxJ 8 - HERO bets 50 V calls
Turn (155): Tx - HERO bets 75 V raises to 175 HERO calls
River (405): Tx - HERO checks.... here is where it gets a little weird. Villain sighs (or makes a quite apparent sound of displeasure) pretty demonstratively.
There was NO WAY he didn't know that I can see/hear that.
Then he studies the board some more...plays with his remaining stacks of red for few seconds and finally moves them IN for ~270 total



  • PBJTIMEPBJTIME Posts: 345Subscriber
    I usually don't give these types of players the credit for being able to pull off a double reverse tell. I'm folding here. The good thing news is if he is actually bluffing, he will proudly display the bluff and you can adjust accordingly.
  • ClockClock Posts: 1,133Subscriber
    edited December 2016
    I folded....he didn't show...
  • PBJTIMEPBJTIME Posts: 345Subscriber
    Then definitely a good fold.
  • AcidhaussAcidhauss Posts: 291Subscriber
    edited December 2016
    I'm not a fan of the turn bet; its a card that gives him a ton of 2-pair, straights, sets, pairs+fds and the like. Even against a really wide fish (96o included) I think betting the turn is too thin.

    I'm not really a live-tells guy. I think the answer is going to be very game-dependent (i.e. how do players tend to play in your local casino). However, as played I think I might actually call the river for the following reasons:

    1. The 96o hand history you given. Yes he's going to turn up with a 9 sometimes but he's going to be soooooooo wide here when he calls in LP, taking one off with any 8, T, backdoor flush draw and the like.
    2. People who're significantly down tend to play aggressively to get it back from my experience.
    3. You're getting ok pot odds; I think he's going to shove here equally with air/value whether he has 270 or 410.

    Your blockers (i.e. Kh) are pretty bad here (especially as you block combo draws, which even I find aggressive fish tend to play aggressively if they pick up additional equity OTT), but I still probably call.

    I think without the Kh I 100% call here. I also have no problem with folding if you want to minimise variance etc, although I do think calling is the higher EV play here.

  • BlackBoxEquityBlackBoxEquity Posts: 165Subscriber
    Agree w/fold as well. He is capable of having any Tx or 9x...not much you can beat unless he is running a bluff with the nut flush draw. I would have talked to him a little to gauge his comfort level.
  • daynnightdaynnight Posts: 200Subscriber
    fold. c/c turn
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